Just some thoughts on the forthcoming album.
ATO already fucked up. Had they released the album last fall when Liz was getting lots of great press, it would have stood a chance of getting a less biased reaction from critics. Now it will probably just get trashed.
I'm guessing Liz feels (with good reason) an immense amount of pressure with each album's release, as she knows it will get compared to Guyville. So she spends years recording, re-recording, scrapping sessions, bringing in new producers, etc. Has this been the doing of her various labels over the years? I don't know, but there's a clear pattern. She really should've jumped at the chance to release a shorter album that was recorded quickly. Why? Because it probably would have been fun and quirky and she could easily have followed it up with another no pressure album a year or two after. These long gaps don't do her career (or albums) any favors.
My two cents.
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I agree
Never shoulda released that remastered EIG. Spoiled us all.
I've always wondered if she suffers from depression and anxiety. A major issue with it (speaking from experience) is an inability to finish things or to start things with a bang and then become immobilized. Self-doubt, hopelessness, fear, inability to be productive, lack of motivation...........it goes on and on.
Her long gaps in work material suggest something going on; maybe something medical. Look at WS to WCSE--she'd been a critics’ darling with EIG, WS got her even more attention (though not as much critical praise) and then it's 3 years in-between. Not good for a new artist. Very out of the ordianry--exceptions exist.
I've also wondered about her being the Accidental Rock Star. She had very small sights in mind with EIG and look what happened? She hadn't been in bands, performing much, etc. Not even not a pro, but not even an amateur in terms of going public at all--unlike Smashing Pumpkins, virtually every band that makes it big. Thrust into it and having the opportunities would make one want it in a way, but maybe not as deep down as people who are hardcore musicians--they live for it and have worked long to get there via playing tiny little crappy places, etc. Liz doesn't live for it. It seems like part of her life, but not such a major part. From her bio, it seems as if she never had even had a real job; being a major hit with critics on something as expected-small-scale as EIG gave her her first real job. Bedroom songwriter and player to RS and Village Voice in short order. How’s that for a life-changer? Maybe like child prodigies who get burned out or develop a fear of living up to their ostensible-giftedness and the expectations.
My pet theories.
Her long gaps in work material suggest something going on; maybe something medical. Look at WS to WCSE--she'd been a critics’ darling with EIG, WS got her even more attention (though not as much critical praise) and then it's 3 years in-between. Not good for a new artist. Very out of the ordianry--exceptions exist.
I've also wondered about her being the Accidental Rock Star. She had very small sights in mind with EIG and look what happened? She hadn't been in bands, performing much, etc. Not even not a pro, but not even an amateur in terms of going public at all--unlike Smashing Pumpkins, virtually every band that makes it big. Thrust into it and having the opportunities would make one want it in a way, but maybe not as deep down as people who are hardcore musicians--they live for it and have worked long to get there via playing tiny little crappy places, etc. Liz doesn't live for it. It seems like part of her life, but not such a major part. From her bio, it seems as if she never had even had a real job; being a major hit with critics on something as expected-small-scale as EIG gave her her first real job. Bedroom songwriter and player to RS and Village Voice in short order. How’s that for a life-changer? Maybe like child prodigies who get burned out or develop a fear of living up to their ostensible-giftedness and the expectations.
My pet theories.
i think she does not give a shit. she probably gives a little shit now which explains the decline in the quality of her music. she was best when she didn't give a shit. she should give less a shit about what people think. some people are going to think she's shit whatever she does anyway.
Wow, what is with all the negativity around here? My goodness. One thing I've personally always liked about Liz is that she doesn't just blindly go along with what the marketing geniuses around her tell her to do - and when she does listen to them (like she did with the Liz Phair album and the Somebody's Miracle record,) she does it on her terms. Even when she was on MTV promoting "Why Can't I," she was still ultimately the one pulling the strings. No one "made" her do anything (as she has explained in several interviews since.) Thus, if Liz has chosen to wait to release her next album, I imagine that it's because she wants to take her time with it - and while it may impact her sales, I completely respect her for that choice.
And besides, even if she did another album and released it tomorrow, people would still bitch about it - no one is ever satisfied. Most of us look back fondly on Exile in Guville - but when she was doing that album, most of the people in the indie scene thought it was awful then too. If Liz decided never to release another album, I wouldn't blame her.
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For people who are getting impatient: Liz has a life now - she's a single mom with a kid raise (which is a full-time job in and of itself,) and according to Wikipedia she's one of the people who puts together the 90210 score (which is why her last song premiered on that show.) Up until the end of last year, she was doing the Swingtown score. She's also working on a book and she was just on the road a year ago for the Exile release - it's not like she's sitting around being a delinquent and smoking pot 24/7 (like she did when creating Exile.) If Liz feels that she needs more time to put out a record that she feels proud of, I say good for her. I've bought every album she's ever done, and I like them all except for some of the songs on Somebody's Miracle. I personally can't wait to hear her next album.
And besides, even if she did another album and released it tomorrow, people would still bitch about it - no one is ever satisfied. Most of us look back fondly on Exile in Guville - but when she was doing that album, most of the people in the indie scene thought it was awful then too. If Liz decided never to release another album, I wouldn't blame her.
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For people who are getting impatient: Liz has a life now - she's a single mom with a kid raise (which is a full-time job in and of itself,) and according to Wikipedia she's one of the people who puts together the 90210 score (which is why her last song premiered on that show.) Up until the end of last year, she was doing the Swingtown score. She's also working on a book and she was just on the road a year ago for the Exile release - it's not like she's sitting around being a delinquent and smoking pot 24/7 (like she did when creating Exile.) If Liz feels that she needs more time to put out a record that she feels proud of, I say good for her. I've bought every album she's ever done, and I like them all except for some of the songs on Somebody's Miracle. I personally can't wait to hear her next album.
i can't wait to hear her new album either.
and i think we totally nailed something in this whole thread:
Caring vs. not-caring.
i've heard liz say countless times - that when she made Exile, she honestly thought - like - 500 people would hear it. so she just barfed up a zillion songs, shocking, non-shocking, super-personal - and boom: album.
she didn't care. but she did. but in the "fuck it, why not no one is gonna hear this anyway, might as well go for it!" kind of way.
and that comes through.
in that Exile in Guyville documentary thingie - there's a certain clip that i just love.
She's talking to Brad Wood - and she says: "Well, I can actually sing now!!!"
This is something i have heard many say - members of the Matrix said this when the self-titled came out.
"She can sing now! she is FINALLY a singer!"
it annoyed the shit out of me.
Anyway, when she says this to Brad Wood - he says - almost defensively: "Oh you always sang just fine!"
and it's true.
she always sang just fine.
i'm trying not to be negative.
i think the reason so many people are "annoyed" - is because - perhaps we fell in love with an accidental rock star,as someone suggested.
it's like...singing in the car.
when you're alone, you can belt it out. maybe even think: "Damn, I sound pretty good!" whether you do or you don't. You put a little more "ooomph" into it.
But...if someone is sitting in the passenger seat...well...you might not sing the same way, because you know you now have an audience.
Liz didn't think she was going to have as big an audience as she did w/ Exile - and the result: We got something very, very, very special.
Whip-Smart was recorded very quickly - wasn't it 3 weeks?
And Whitechocolatespaceegg...i mean, there was a gap - but she had a baby.
The end result - while VERY different than the first two - was still smart-pop - because she was able to work with wonderful people who brought out the best in her. It was still "Liz". A different Liz...but a Liz who didn't SOUND compromised...even if she was.
Something about it worked.
16 years later...she knows she has an audience...and she has a lot to live up to, because it's probably impossible to write like that again, knowing we are all with her, in the passenger seat, waiting to hear what she's going to sound like.
this is a woman who recorded songs in her room when her parents weren't home.
i absolutely 'get' it. that's some serious pressure.
and let's be honest: We can be critical little bitches. I am insanely guilty of that - but it's not because i enjoy cutting up liz.
it just sounds like it's being over-thought.
the person who said - she should have just released the album that was recorded quickly - yes - i agree.
"barf: there it is."
it would have been cool.
but what happens?
the stripped down, quickly written quirky songs, get peeled back, and layered, and then layered some more, and then over-thought and then glazed over, and then the vocal pitch is corrected, "make it polished and glossy and beautiful and make it a summer pop gem and call in a producer and make it radio friendly" - and then: that quirky, quick-written, stripped down song is gone. like it never existed.
it's frustrating because it seems like liz is constantly questioning herself as an artist - from the beginning - all that notorious stage-fright (which i actually witnessed first-hand in 1993).
never sure if she could or SHOULD raise her voice and sing like no one was watching because she seems so self-aware and almost obsessed w/ the fact that people are.
and rightfully so. we're a scrutinizing bunch.
all the layers, all the pop, all the fancy producers - it all comes from two things:
over thinking it.
and insecurity.
of course - balanced by the need to make some cash.
"selling out means there aren't ANY tickets left at Madison Square Garden."
God bless Courtney for saying that.
and you know - if Liz was selling out madison square garden with the new songs - i'd simply back off and say: More power to her.
But she's not.
And i think she has some extremely intelligent and interesting things to say. Clearly we all do - all the old-timers and bitchy snobby "we hate the new liz phair sound" people...
if we didn't, we wouldn't still be here.
We're here because we genuinely LIKE Liz.
Not because we want to rip her a new one.
it's just frustrating hearing someone with SUCH a voice...more or less...stifle herself.
or, allow herself to be stifled.
it's one of the two.
and as i said: I have HIGH hopes for the new liz. I am going to try my HARDEST to love it.
But hopefully - I won't have to try - and if I do - hopefully, I won't have to try hard.
and i think we totally nailed something in this whole thread:
Caring vs. not-caring.
i've heard liz say countless times - that when she made Exile, she honestly thought - like - 500 people would hear it. so she just barfed up a zillion songs, shocking, non-shocking, super-personal - and boom: album.
she didn't care. but she did. but in the "fuck it, why not no one is gonna hear this anyway, might as well go for it!" kind of way.
and that comes through.
in that Exile in Guyville documentary thingie - there's a certain clip that i just love.
She's talking to Brad Wood - and she says: "Well, I can actually sing now!!!"
This is something i have heard many say - members of the Matrix said this when the self-titled came out.
"She can sing now! she is FINALLY a singer!"
it annoyed the shit out of me.
Anyway, when she says this to Brad Wood - he says - almost defensively: "Oh you always sang just fine!"
and it's true.
she always sang just fine.
i'm trying not to be negative.
i think the reason so many people are "annoyed" - is because - perhaps we fell in love with an accidental rock star,as someone suggested.
it's like...singing in the car.
when you're alone, you can belt it out. maybe even think: "Damn, I sound pretty good!" whether you do or you don't. You put a little more "ooomph" into it.
But...if someone is sitting in the passenger seat...well...you might not sing the same way, because you know you now have an audience.
Liz didn't think she was going to have as big an audience as she did w/ Exile - and the result: We got something very, very, very special.
Whip-Smart was recorded very quickly - wasn't it 3 weeks?
And Whitechocolatespaceegg...i mean, there was a gap - but she had a baby.
The end result - while VERY different than the first two - was still smart-pop - because she was able to work with wonderful people who brought out the best in her. It was still "Liz". A different Liz...but a Liz who didn't SOUND compromised...even if she was.
Something about it worked.
16 years later...she knows she has an audience...and she has a lot to live up to, because it's probably impossible to write like that again, knowing we are all with her, in the passenger seat, waiting to hear what she's going to sound like.
this is a woman who recorded songs in her room when her parents weren't home.
i absolutely 'get' it. that's some serious pressure.
and let's be honest: We can be critical little bitches. I am insanely guilty of that - but it's not because i enjoy cutting up liz.
it just sounds like it's being over-thought.
the person who said - she should have just released the album that was recorded quickly - yes - i agree.
"barf: there it is."
it would have been cool.
but what happens?
the stripped down, quickly written quirky songs, get peeled back, and layered, and then layered some more, and then over-thought and then glazed over, and then the vocal pitch is corrected, "make it polished and glossy and beautiful and make it a summer pop gem and call in a producer and make it radio friendly" - and then: that quirky, quick-written, stripped down song is gone. like it never existed.
it's frustrating because it seems like liz is constantly questioning herself as an artist - from the beginning - all that notorious stage-fright (which i actually witnessed first-hand in 1993).
never sure if she could or SHOULD raise her voice and sing like no one was watching because she seems so self-aware and almost obsessed w/ the fact that people are.
and rightfully so. we're a scrutinizing bunch.
all the layers, all the pop, all the fancy producers - it all comes from two things:
over thinking it.
and insecurity.
of course - balanced by the need to make some cash.
"selling out means there aren't ANY tickets left at Madison Square Garden."
God bless Courtney for saying that.
and you know - if Liz was selling out madison square garden with the new songs - i'd simply back off and say: More power to her.
But she's not.
And i think she has some extremely intelligent and interesting things to say. Clearly we all do - all the old-timers and bitchy snobby "we hate the new liz phair sound" people...
if we didn't, we wouldn't still be here.
We're here because we genuinely LIKE Liz.
Not because we want to rip her a new one.
it's just frustrating hearing someone with SUCH a voice...more or less...stifle herself.
or, allow herself to be stifled.
it's one of the two.
and as i said: I have HIGH hopes for the new liz. I am going to try my HARDEST to love it.
But hopefully - I won't have to try - and if I do - hopefully, I won't have to try hard.
No surprise, but there was no mention of a new Liz album on Pitchfork's guide to upcoming releases through October.
It would behoove her to give some kind of news via a myspace blog entry, podcast, an updated website (?!), another anonymous post, etc. Otherwise, who besides her few remaining loyal fans are going to buy this album? The "new" fans aren't going to notice its release as it is unlikely to get much of a commercial push from ATO, and a lot of her old fans don't like anything she's released since WCSE (and some didn't even like that album) which came out eleventeen years ago.
On an unrelated note, last night I dreamt that I was a Liz show and she played Down. It was really great live. Then in my dream I "remembered" that she tastefully re-recorded it for her new album.
PS: Does anyone have higher bitrate mp3's of Freak of Nature, Carnivore, Greased Lightning, Hurricane Cindy (japanese wcse version), etc? Like 256 or 320 kbps? I re-encoded all of the soundtrack stuff that I have to 256 kbps AAC files, but can't find good quality versions of these remaining songs.
It would behoove her to give some kind of news via a myspace blog entry, podcast, an updated website (?!), another anonymous post, etc. Otherwise, who besides her few remaining loyal fans are going to buy this album? The "new" fans aren't going to notice its release as it is unlikely to get much of a commercial push from ATO, and a lot of her old fans don't like anything she's released since WCSE (and some didn't even like that album) which came out eleventeen years ago.
On an unrelated note, last night I dreamt that I was a Liz show and she played Down. It was really great live. Then in my dream I "remembered" that she tastefully re-recorded it for her new album.
PS: Does anyone have higher bitrate mp3's of Freak of Nature, Carnivore, Greased Lightning, Hurricane Cindy (japanese wcse version), etc? Like 256 or 320 kbps? I re-encoded all of the soundtrack stuff that I have to 256 kbps AAC files, but can't find good quality versions of these remaining songs.
QUOTE (sixdickpimp @ Jul 2 2009, 03:31 PM) 
PS: Does anyone have higher bitrate mp3's of Freak of Nature, Carnivore, Greased Lightning, Hurricane Cindy (japanese wcse version), etc? Like 256 or 320 kbps? I re-encoded all of the soundtrack stuff that I have to 256 kbps AAC files, but can't find good quality versions of these remaining songs.
Best I could do for Carnivore is 192, all the others are 320.
http://savefile.com/projects/808778326
thank you very much Millertime428, i had never been able to find these on such quality. others i'm missing (i only have 128bkps files of them) are "six dick pimp" and "bird of texas", so if anyone is willing to share them in better quality i'll be eternally grateful
thanks a lot
thanks a lot
QUOTE (Millertime428 @ Jul 2 2009, 05:23 PM)
Best I could do for Carnivore is 192, all the others are 320.
http://savefile.com/projects/808778326
http://savefile.com/projects/808778326
Thanks so much!!!
I have all the soundtracks/ Supernova single/ what's up matador/ away with the pixies/ tra la la promo if anyone wants better versions of those.
I'm probably forgetting a few. Don't Apologize? Anyone have a better version of that? Baby it's cold outside? Or anything else I'm forgetting.
Good copies with nice bit-rates would be greatly appreciated!! I've only got the Supernova single 
How many tracks are due on the album??
liz should just make an album filled with songs she hasn't remade from girly sound. it does not matter if she butchers the authenticity and heart out of those songs, i just want her to release something. i don't care if she gives them the faith and tenderness treatment. just do it!!
lol
lol
The one thing I think is really perverted and inappropriate (not meaning this is your view Dan) is the people who are "annoyed" by Liz. She doesn't work for anyone but herself. We have no standing to "expect" anything from her. She doesn't "owe" any fan anything. When she releases something, or performs, it's a gift to us; that thing about gift horses and looking applies here. Be grateful, not annoyed. We have no right to have expectations; she doesn’t hurt us or make things more difficult or bothersome for us. Just brings us good in whatever it is that we like that she does.
QUOTE (DanMacDonald @ Jun 30 2009, 07:11 AM)
i can't wait to hear her new album either.
and i think we totally nailed something in this whole thread:
Caring vs. not-caring.
i've heard liz say countless times - that when she made Exile, she honestly thought - like - 500 people would hear it. so she just barfed up a zillion songs, shocking, non-shocking, super-personal - and boom: album.
she didn't care. but she did. but in the "fuck it, why not no one is gonna hear this anyway, might as well go for it!" kind of way.
and that comes through.
in that Exile in Guyville documentary thingie - there's a certain clip that i just love.
She's talking to Brad Wood - and she says: "Well, I can actually sing now!!!"
This is something i have heard many say - members of the Matrix said this when the self-titled came out.
"She can sing now! she is FINALLY a singer!"
it annoyed the shit out of me.
Anyway, when she says this to Brad Wood - he says - almost defensively: "Oh you always sang just fine!"
and it's true.
she always sang just fine.
i'm trying not to be negative.
i think the reason so many people are "annoyed" - is because - perhaps we fell in love with an accidental rock star,as someone suggested.
it's like...singing in the car.
when you're alone, you can belt it out. maybe even think: "Damn, I sound pretty good!" whether you do or you don't. You put a little more "ooomph" into it.
But...if someone is sitting in the passenger seat...well...you might not sing the same way, because you know you now have an audience.
Liz didn't think she was going to have as big an audience as she did w/ Exile - and the result: We got something very, very, very special.
Whip-Smart was recorded very quickly - wasn't it 3 weeks?
And Whitechocolatespaceegg...i mean, there was a gap - but she had a baby.
The end result - while VERY different than the first two - was still smart-pop - because she was able to work with wonderful people who brought out the best in her. It was still "Liz". A different Liz...but a Liz who didn't SOUND compromised...even if she was.
Something about it worked.
16 years later...she knows she has an audience...and she has a lot to live up to, because it's probably impossible to write like that again, knowing we are all with her, in the passenger seat, waiting to hear what she's going to sound like.
this is a woman who recorded songs in her room when her parents weren't home.
i absolutely 'get' it. that's some serious pressure.
and let's be honest: We can be critical little bitches. I am insanely guilty of that - but it's not because i enjoy cutting up liz.
it just sounds like it's being over-thought.
the person who said - she should have just released the album that was recorded quickly - yes - i agree.
"barf: there it is."
it would have been cool.
but what happens?
the stripped down, quickly written quirky songs, get peeled back, and layered, and then layered some more, and then over-thought and then glazed over, and then the vocal pitch is corrected, "make it polished and glossy and beautiful and make it a summer pop gem and call in a producer and make it radio friendly" - and then: that quirky, quick-written, stripped down song is gone. like it never existed.
it's frustrating because it seems like liz is constantly questioning herself as an artist - from the beginning - all that notorious stage-fright (which i actually witnessed first-hand in 1993).
never sure if she could or SHOULD raise her voice and sing like no one was watching because she seems so self-aware and almost obsessed w/ the fact that people are.
and rightfully so. we're a scrutinizing bunch.
all the layers, all the pop, all the fancy producers - it all comes from two things:
over thinking it.
and insecurity.
of course - balanced by the need to make some cash.
"selling out means there aren't ANY tickets left at Madison Square Garden."
God bless Courtney for saying that.
and you know - if Liz was selling out madison square garden with the new songs - i'd simply back off and say: More power to her.
But she's not.
And i think she has some extremely intelligent and interesting things to say. Clearly we all do - all the old-timers and bitchy snobby "we hate the new liz phair sound" people...
if we didn't, we wouldn't still be here.
We're here because we genuinely LIKE Liz.
Not because we want to rip her a new one.
it's just frustrating hearing someone with SUCH a voice...more or less...stifle herself.
or, allow herself to be stifled.
it's one of the two.
and as i said: I have HIGH hopes for the new liz. I am going to try my HARDEST to love it.
But hopefully - I won't have to try - and if I do - hopefully, I won't have to try hard.
and i think we totally nailed something in this whole thread:
Caring vs. not-caring.
i've heard liz say countless times - that when she made Exile, she honestly thought - like - 500 people would hear it. so she just barfed up a zillion songs, shocking, non-shocking, super-personal - and boom: album.
she didn't care. but she did. but in the "fuck it, why not no one is gonna hear this anyway, might as well go for it!" kind of way.
and that comes through.
in that Exile in Guyville documentary thingie - there's a certain clip that i just love.
She's talking to Brad Wood - and she says: "Well, I can actually sing now!!!"
This is something i have heard many say - members of the Matrix said this when the self-titled came out.
"She can sing now! she is FINALLY a singer!"
it annoyed the shit out of me.
Anyway, when she says this to Brad Wood - he says - almost defensively: "Oh you always sang just fine!"
and it's true.
she always sang just fine.
i'm trying not to be negative.
i think the reason so many people are "annoyed" - is because - perhaps we fell in love with an accidental rock star,as someone suggested.
it's like...singing in the car.
when you're alone, you can belt it out. maybe even think: "Damn, I sound pretty good!" whether you do or you don't. You put a little more "ooomph" into it.
But...if someone is sitting in the passenger seat...well...you might not sing the same way, because you know you now have an audience.
Liz didn't think she was going to have as big an audience as she did w/ Exile - and the result: We got something very, very, very special.
Whip-Smart was recorded very quickly - wasn't it 3 weeks?
And Whitechocolatespaceegg...i mean, there was a gap - but she had a baby.
The end result - while VERY different than the first two - was still smart-pop - because she was able to work with wonderful people who brought out the best in her. It was still "Liz". A different Liz...but a Liz who didn't SOUND compromised...even if she was.
Something about it worked.
16 years later...she knows she has an audience...and she has a lot to live up to, because it's probably impossible to write like that again, knowing we are all with her, in the passenger seat, waiting to hear what she's going to sound like.
this is a woman who recorded songs in her room when her parents weren't home.
i absolutely 'get' it. that's some serious pressure.
and let's be honest: We can be critical little bitches. I am insanely guilty of that - but it's not because i enjoy cutting up liz.
it just sounds like it's being over-thought.
the person who said - she should have just released the album that was recorded quickly - yes - i agree.
"barf: there it is."
it would have been cool.
but what happens?
the stripped down, quickly written quirky songs, get peeled back, and layered, and then layered some more, and then over-thought and then glazed over, and then the vocal pitch is corrected, "make it polished and glossy and beautiful and make it a summer pop gem and call in a producer and make it radio friendly" - and then: that quirky, quick-written, stripped down song is gone. like it never existed.
it's frustrating because it seems like liz is constantly questioning herself as an artist - from the beginning - all that notorious stage-fright (which i actually witnessed first-hand in 1993).
never sure if she could or SHOULD raise her voice and sing like no one was watching because she seems so self-aware and almost obsessed w/ the fact that people are.
and rightfully so. we're a scrutinizing bunch.
all the layers, all the pop, all the fancy producers - it all comes from two things:
over thinking it.
and insecurity.
of course - balanced by the need to make some cash.
"selling out means there aren't ANY tickets left at Madison Square Garden."
God bless Courtney for saying that.
and you know - if Liz was selling out madison square garden with the new songs - i'd simply back off and say: More power to her.
But she's not.
And i think she has some extremely intelligent and interesting things to say. Clearly we all do - all the old-timers and bitchy snobby "we hate the new liz phair sound" people...
if we didn't, we wouldn't still be here.
We're here because we genuinely LIKE Liz.
Not because we want to rip her a new one.
it's just frustrating hearing someone with SUCH a voice...more or less...stifle herself.
or, allow herself to be stifled.
it's one of the two.
and as i said: I have HIGH hopes for the new liz. I am going to try my HARDEST to love it.
But hopefully - I won't have to try - and if I do - hopefully, I won't have to try hard.
Ok, so I will post all of the soundtrack/ misc songs I re-encoded (to the itunes plus format, 256 kbps AAC, VBR) later today or tonight!
Lastly, was anyone able to rip a higher quality version of Down from the video? Surely there's more advanced audio software now? I only have the crappy 160 kbps mp3 that really just sounds like streaming audio from the late 90's.
Thanks!
Lastly, was anyone able to rip a higher quality version of Down from the video? Surely there's more advanced audio software now? I only have the crappy 160 kbps mp3 that really just sounds like streaming audio from the late 90's.
Thanks!
Updated my link. I have included all soundtrack and compilation tracks that I have. All are 320, except Carnivore which is 192.
http://savefile.com/projects/808778326
http://savefile.com/projects/808778326
I uploaded some non-album tracks in this thread
http://www.lizphair.forumsunlimited.com/in...showtopic=35686
Also this thread lists every officially released non-album track by Liz.
http://www.lizphair.forumsunlimited.com/in...t=0#entry158098
I have all but 5 of these in original full quality. I'd appreciate any help in tracking down the last few missing tracks.
http://www.lizphair.forumsunlimited.com/in...showtopic=35686
Also this thread lists every officially released non-album track by Liz.
http://www.lizphair.forumsunlimited.com/in...t=0#entry158098
I have all but 5 of these in original full quality. I'd appreciate any help in tracking down the last few missing tracks.
QUOTE (frankbeard @ Jul 3 2009, 04:22 PM)
I uploaded some non-album tracks in this thread
http://www.lizphair.forumsunlimited.com/in...t=0#entry158098
Also this thread lists every officially released non-album track by Liz.
http://www.lizphair.forumsunlimited.com/in...t=0#entry158098
I have all but 6 of these in original full quality. I'd appreciate any help in tracking down the last few missing tracks.
http://www.lizphair.forumsunlimited.com/in...t=0#entry158098
Also this thread lists every officially released non-album track by Liz.
http://www.lizphair.forumsunlimited.com/in...t=0#entry158098
I have all but 6 of these in original full quality. I'd appreciate any help in tracking down the last few missing tracks.
You have a full quality version of Down??
Also, there is no link to uploaded material in that thread.
I've fixed the link to go to the thread with the uploads.
Also I guess I should rephrase my statement to I have all of the tracks in the highest quality they were released in. Some of the tracks were only released as MP3's through i-tunes, AOL, the defunct Yahoo Music Engine etc.
Also I guess I should rephrase my statement to I have all of the tracks in the highest quality they were released in. Some of the tracks were only released as MP3's through i-tunes, AOL, the defunct Yahoo Music Engine etc.
Regarding LP6. Not sure if this means anything but ATO's Myspace page has been listing Liz under its' 'Stay Tuned" section as far as upcoming releases. She has now been taken off of that list of names. So no mention of Liz at all, nothing! Her myspace page was regularly updated on a daily basis up until March 9th when all daily updating stopped. I may be reading more into this than I should but IMO this doesn't look good at all. I'm seriuosly afraid that it may be a LONG time before we hear this album if ever. I know I may sound all gloomy and depressing but I fear her days as a musical artist may be over. I guess we'll see her writing TV soundtracks from this point forward.
For the sake of being optimistic, maybe they took her off the "stay tuned" section because they're going to announce a release date soon.
Just saying.
Just saying.
I emailed ATO records about what's going on (re: no listing on the upcoming releases) and still haven't heard back from them.
You'd think a label would be happy to get a query about a record, right? The least they could do is send a cryptic response?
Regardless, I've listened to "Carnivore" everyday for the last week.
You'd think a label would be happy to get a query about a record, right? The least they could do is send a cryptic response?
Regardless, I've listened to "Carnivore" everyday for the last week.
QUOTE (hooray for terence @ Jul 8 2009, 02:44 AM)
Regardless, I've listened to "Carnivore" everyday for the last week.
LOL! I love it! This line made me laugh out loud! So random!! hahahahahahaha!
"Regardless, I've listened to Carnivore everyday for the last week."
hahahaha...that's AWESOME!!! I recently put that on my mp3 player...oddly enough - it's kind of a decent song to run to!
i emailed ATO too, some weeks ago, and never got an answer.
maybe if a shitload of us do the same they'll post some kind of response on the website or myspace or something...?
but, of course, there's no shitload of us anymore.
maybe if a shitload of us do the same they'll post some kind of response on the website or myspace or something...?
but, of course, there's no shitload of us anymore.
QUOTE (marcos @ Jul 8 2009, 05:10 PM)
i emailed ATO too, some weeks ago, and never got an answer.
maybe if a shitload of us do the same they'll post some kind of response on the website or myspace or something...?
but, of course, there's no shitload of us anymore.
maybe if a shitload of us do the same they'll post some kind of response on the website or myspace or something...?
but, of course, there's no shitload of us anymore.
I'm in. What's the address?
info@atorecords.com
I re-emailed (remailed?) my note from last week. I'm on the annoy train- you figure since it's summer they've probably got some interns hanging out with them, so this might be a good way to expose them to some real world experience.
All I want is an answer.
All I want is an answer.
QUOTE (hooray for terence @ Jul 9 2009, 12:37 AM)
I re-emailed (remailed?) my note from last week. I'm on the annoy train- you figure since it's summer they've probably got some interns hanging out with them, so this might be a good way to expose them to some real world experience.
All I want is an answer.
All I want is an answer.
good call - you deserve an answer. i never understand this silent treatment bullshit. seriously. it's one of those things i don't "get".
Even the whole "wait to announce it".
In this day and age, why wait?
If something is coming - get the damn info out there. if it's not coming, tell us!
i think it is a label's responsibility to keep fans of its roster up to date on the status of artists, especially when it's all built up.
but...now i'm just being bitchy. quelle surprise.
really - nothing else is new...
me - being bitchy about liz.
and ZERO news and lengthy delays between Liz Phair albums.
Feels like 1997 all over again.
*sigh*
1997...
QUOTE (DanMacDonald @ Jul 10 2009, 08:23 PM)
good call - you deserve an answer. i never understand this silent treatment bullshit. seriously. it's one of those things i don't "get".
Even the whole "wait to announce it".
In this day and age, why wait?
If something is coming - get the damn info out there. if it's not coming, tell us!
i think it is a label's responsibility to keep fans of its roster up to date on the status of artists, especially when it's all built up.
but...now i'm just being bitchy. quelle surprise.
really - nothing else is new...
me - being bitchy about liz.
and ZERO news and lengthy delays between Liz Phair albums.
Feels like 1997 all over again.
*sigh*
1997...
Even the whole "wait to announce it".
In this day and age, why wait?
If something is coming - get the damn info out there. if it's not coming, tell us!
i think it is a label's responsibility to keep fans of its roster up to date on the status of artists, especially when it's all built up.
but...now i'm just being bitchy. quelle surprise.
really - nothing else is new...
me - being bitchy about liz.
and ZERO news and lengthy delays between Liz Phair albums.
Feels like 1997 all over again.
*sigh*
1997...
At least a good Liz Phair album came out after all those mid 90's delays! And fuck ATO! Can't they at least put Spoiled Peach on itunes? They should be so lucky that people are actually interested in a new Liz Phair album. Shame on them.
QUOTE (sixdickpimp @ Jul 10 2009, 08:33 PM)
At least a good Liz Phair album came out after all those mid 90's delays! And fuck ATO! Can't they at least put Spoiled Peach on itunes? They should be so lucky that people are actually interested in a new Liz Phair album. Shame on them.
Haha, I just hope this discussion doesn't turn into what "delays in the 90s" vs. "delays in the aughts" have begotten us. I do, however, agree with you sixdickpimp- "shame on" ATO for leaving us in the dark for so long. We didn't even hear about producers coming in "to help" from them- instead we get a few lines thrown into a RS issue.
For a label that was practically beside itself with glee over a reissue of a 15 year album (and the PAGES OF PRESS! that came with it), you'd think they'd at least throw us a bone once in a while.
As for "Spoiled Peach," 90210's season 1 DVD release comes out on 11 August. I couldn't find any soundtrack information, but I'm almost positive that every show that's ever been released on the WB/CW has had at least ONE compilation album. If that's the case, it's almost a no-brainer to have a Liz Phair tune on there, seeing as how she writes the soundtrack.
QUOTE (marcos @ Jul 8 2009, 05:10 PM)
i emailed ATO too, some weeks ago, and never got an answer.
maybe if a shitload of us do the same they'll post some kind of response on the website or myspace or something...?
but, of course, there's no shitload of us anymore.
maybe if a shitload of us do the same they'll post some kind of response on the website or myspace or something...?
but, of course, there's no shitload of us anymore.
I emailed them awhile ago too, and then sent a follow up and I still haven't heard anything. You think they know we are frustrated?
QUOTE (chocoholicfemme @ Jul 15 2009, 06:08 PM)
I emailed them awhile ago too, and then sent a follow up and I still haven't heard anything. You think they know we are frustrated?
*sigh*
I emailed too.
sweet nothin'. although it's not THAAT sweet.
Maybe it's a social experiment? They want to see how many fans will bitch and moan - and then base it on that?
Record rep:
"Yup...we still have a bunch of early-30-somethings from 1995-la-la land, bitchin' and moanin'...let them simmer in their own patchoulli for another 3 years before we drop the dance album on their sorry asses."
(insert evil, record label laugh/distant thunder here)
maybe we'll get lucky and the new album will be loaded with duets w/ Dave Matthews and Chad Kroeger of Nickleback - Canada's FINEST musical export!
(move over Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen - the REAL Canadian musical master is Nickelback!)
I mean, one can dream...right?
...RIGHT?!?!?!?
QUOTE (DanMacDonald @ Jul 16 2009, 07:31 AM)
maybe we'll get lucky and the new album will be loaded with duets w/ Dave Matthews and Chad Kroeger of Nickleback - Canada's FINEST musical export!
(move over Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen - the REAL Canadian musical master is Nickelback!)
(move over Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen - the REAL Canadian musical master is Nickelback!)
hahahaha! I love it!
Nickelback is atrocious.
QUOTE (hooray for terence @ Jul 8 2009, 07:37 PM)
I re-emailed (remailed?) my note from last week. I'm on the annoy train- you figure since it's summer they've probably got some interns hanging out with them, so this might be a good way to expose them to some real world experience.
All I want is an answer.
All I want is an answer.
Another no reply here from ATO.
What if we are wrong about all of this, what if the delay has nothing to do with Liz at all, well not directly, what if there is something going on with her son that is delaying the release? If there were problems with him, then she wouldn't be able to tour to support the album, and if there were lots of problems, she could possibly have put her foot down and told ATO not to release it until they were taken care of, because we know she has written and recorded new stuff (Spoiled Peaches, Faith and Tenderness), and BR's stuff is usually official releases, not anything special just for them. Scoring a show isn't as difficult as a supporting tour would be, which could explain why she id doing that and not releasing an album. What do you all think?
I kinda doubt it.
My gut feeling is that Liz dumped a buch of material or changed horses midstream. Happened on the last 3 albums.
This is an important album, so it could be worth the wait. So many years of thinking that Capitol was the problem and now she is "indie" so let's hear what you got unleashed.
This is an important album, so it could be worth the wait. So many years of thinking that Capitol was the problem and now she is "indie" so let's hear what you got unleashed.
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