Okay, I know there is so much negativity on this list (and I myself am responsible for some of it) - all our indie-bitchy-cooler-than-though-I-liked-Guyville-before-anyone-and-it-is-my-special-album-yapping can really bring down the whole over-all fuzzy good times here at the long lost Liz Phair Forum.

So...I thought to help steer it in the right direction, what are some of your guilty pleasure Liz songs...?

These are the songs that you blare when no one is around, but turn down or shut off if you have to pick someone up who you think is really cool...

You know you have at least ONE!!!

I have a few...

But the biggest one - would have to be Everything To Me.

A) it reminds me of my cat. Pure an simple. Always has.
"I bet it makes you laugh, watching me work so hard to please you...you never gave a damn..."

The nights and days I spend, begging her to play with me, sit on me, dangling string, scratching at the floor, tossing toy mice around...and she sits and stares with ICE in her eyes. Yet, I still love her so.
I consider Everything To Me "our song" - so it always has a nice cozy spot in my heart.

anyone else?

Anyone with a secret "Underwear" fetish?
Perhaps a deep dark attraction to the young and frisky hooks of "Rock Me"?

Much like "Post Secret" - this can be the section of the Liz Phair forum where we indie snobs can get in touch with our inner-popsicle.

"It's okay to like her new stuff...we can admit it...no one will laugh..."

Anyone...? Anyone...?

Or ...

am I really alone here?

*crickets chirping*

*gunshot!*

i love that post you made about the cat years ago. so hilarious and weird.

but my own liz guilty pleasure is....

why can't i

i just think there's a reason why this song continues to inspire fat girls to put videos of them singing to it up on youtube. it's sweet and catchy and her voice in it is perfect (in terms of mall rock factor) and it just oozes teen romance in all the right places.

there are others so to be continued...

I like Everything To Me, a lot. I don’t think I have any that I would turn down. Well, I do turn down when she cusses in songs if I am at a light by people or something – that’s just being respectful.

I jam LP all the time in my car – screw em’!

Everything ( Between Us ). Not really a guilty pleasure, just a damn good song. IMHO, the BEST moment on SM. Love the "strings" on the chorus, although I'm sure it's Pro Tools. Like Dan said, could have easily fit on Spaceegg. Another one that could have been on Spaceegg and I LOVE is "Down". Once again not really a guilty pleasure just one of Liz's forgotten "gems".

I don't feel guilty listening to Liz. I do try to wait until nobody's around to listen to H.W.C. though.

agreed. Down and Everything Between Us are two great gems.

I also have to agree w/ Wooden & Alone...

Why Can't I really is a "Mall Rock" anthem of sorts. I just picture like, a thousand skinny girls texting in the lobby of a movie theatre as their parents drive away.
then their skinny, stylish, soon-to-be-gay-in-3-years-time boyfriends show up and they hug and snap pictures to post on my space.

"We haven't fucked yet but my head's spinning..."

Beautiful. Totally the song you would play on a ferris wheel or that Music Express ride...the one that is like a train that spins around and around as the music blares.

Teen romance. i completely get it.

Rock Me and Take a Look.

The entire Liz Phair LP is a guilty pleasure for me. And "Got My Own Thing" off of Somebody's Miracle.

For me it's Table for One, but it's not a very pleasurable guilt...

Liz is by definition a guilty pleasure—particularly "Liz Phair" in it's entirety—but if I had to pick one I would never own up yo loving, it would be "Favorite"

liz is not a guilty pleasure. she's a remarkable artist. i mean, to be able to pen a legitimate indie road classic and be also capable of earcandied earworms. it's an accomplishment.

^^Well, the person is new. Maybe they haven't heard Liz's good music yet. That would certainly explain why they say Liz is a guilty pleasure.

True, but their username is onelessthing. Hmm.

^^Hmmm...I didn't notice that.

Oh I know about all of her earlier work, nothing from her Capitol days would even make my top twenty, but I stand by my statement.

I thought my Liz they just ment the album Liz. Oh well

Songs I like
Red Light Fever
Little Digger
Good Love Never Dies

Songs that are okay
Firewalker
Love/Hate
My Bionic Eyes
Friend of Mine

Songs that are shit but fun when the mood is right
Favorite
H.W.C
Extraordinary
Why Can't I?
Rock Me

Blah
It's Sweet
Take a Look

As for Somebody's Miracle I really like that album nowhere as much as the first 3 but I enjoy it.

Favorite is a really catchy song. If only it weren't about a freaking pair of underwear, though.

Interesting reads here.

I know the whole comparing a relationship to a pair of nasty of knickers is bad.

Favorite is a mind-fuck...totally. I was so baffled by it when i heard it - i kept listening, thinking: "It can't REALLY be this stupid!! ... um...can it...?"

Like that movie THe Happening. With Mark Wahlberg... when i was watching that - i kept shaking my head thinking: "I must have missed something...because, no script could REALLY be this ridiculously dumb....could it...?!"

Somehow - the director and writer transformed really good actors...into horrifically shitty actors.
It got to the point I would laugh everytime Mark Wahlberg would run towards a military person saying: "It's okay...I'm a math teacher! I teach math!"

So dumb, it's fascinating. Or...just unbelievably stupid. in the literal sense. unbelievable.
Easily one of the most dumbfounding - emphasis on "dumb" - incidents in music was the inclusion of Favorite.
I know everyone has their own taste...but ...really.

Other "so-dumb-it's-fascinating" moments:

Nina Gordon (of Veruca Salt) - her last album Bleeding Heart Graffiti... the first song is supposed to be this short, hard-hitting intro (a la "Chopsticks") - except...it fucking FADES OUT!!!
Fades out!!
Who fades out an intro?!?!?!?
a slow, pulsing intro is supposed to end SUDDENLY - and then ROCKET into a HARD HITTING track 2 - setting the tone for an engaging and compelling listen!
It's not supposed to fade out!
But...the fading out is the least of the problem.
It fades out into Track 2 - which is a fricking CHRISTMAS SONG !!!!!
like...FOR REAL!!

"So-Dumb-It's-Fascinating-Rule-Number-Two" - do not include a fucking Christmas song on your album if it's not a Christmas album! Sure Cyndi Lauper did it on Hat Full of Stars, and so help me god - i'll let it go ONLY because she is a woman in her 50's who can SOMETIMES pull off blue hair...but anyone else? Inexcusable!

That's all we need. A semi-decent liz phair record in 2009, with Frosty the Snowman as the final track on the record.
How much would that suck? but seriously... deep down in your gut: Couldn't you almost see it? A "Sexy Frosty the Snowman"...? Complete with "Liz Phair Hip-Dips and Bedroom Eyes"... *shiver*

Another no-no: "The Random Reggae Breakdown" - when the song is going GREAT and then all of a sudden: Reggae thrown in from fuckin' Lady Saw or something. UGH! THat burns me!!!

I love reggae music...but not mixed with non-reggae songs.

Remember the horror that was Vitamin C? Formerly Colleen Fitzpatrick of Eve's Plum, a semi-decent band? When she "pulled a Liz Phair times-ten" and released the popalicious (and VERY guilty pleasure of mine) "SMILE" - it still irks me when I hear the reggaie breakdown.

No Doubt did it too with the song "Underneath it All" - reggae breakdown. It's almost like to show "roots" - "Yup...I'm worldly...I'm hip...I'm transcending in my amazing, culturally-rich musical evolution enough that I can hire the "IT" Reggae or dancehall singer of the month and have them randomly jump into my otherwise shitty pop song".

Erasure did it too on Abbaesque for "Take a Chance On Me"...so bad...but soo CLOSE to being good.

How bad would THAT be...? Liz w/ a "random reggae break-down".

Another naughty-naughty:

Duets.

Seriously. There is a time and a place.
PJ Harvey and Thom Yorke... i like both of them...but YUCK! What a scar down the back of the already shitty "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea" album.

ANtony and the Johnsons: Love him to death...but why is he singing a duet with Boy George? And Rufus Wainwright? I love Rufus Wainwright and Boy George...but NOT on an Antony album... he doesn't NEED those people! he is good enough to stand up on his own.

Of course, Antony does it a year later - when he fucks up the Bjork album Volta on not one but TWO duets!! Why am I hearing a DUET on a BJORK album?!?!?! it just does not belong!

Jenny Lewis too- she fucks up her new album which I had been waiting for FOREVER with too many name-dropping duets, almost as if to say: "Look who I know! Look at the big names who have come to play with me!"

Heaven help us if we see a "featuring Dave Matthews" on the new Liz Phair...

I'll bloody scream!

Okay.

(panting, out of breath, sweating)

I think I'm about done.

Dude, that was a fun read, but you are way off on the Lewis record. If you had not read all about who was on the disc you would have never known except for Elvis Costello is pretty hard to miss. Acid Tongue is brill and you need to just kick back and enjoy the music without worrying about what someone’s intentions are. Otherwise you miss a lot of good stuff.

i hear you...and - for the record - i happen to think the song "Acid Tongue", "Jack Killed Mom" and "See Fernando" - are the most BRILLIANT songs of the year...bar NONE! for real!!!

But... Black Sand - a weak opener...
Pretty Bird - BORING!!!
And that horrendous "Sing a Song for them" - or whatever the name of the last track is: Flat out unlistenable. Nevermind the duets...the duets, i believe are the least of this record's problem...

I found it to be at times - her best work...and at times: BORING!! not once did that happen to me on Rabbit Fur Coat...i think that album was such a stronger album...short, punchy...hard hitting....

Even the one song...the Next Messiah...the duet isn't horrible...it's just the fac that it's almost 9 minutes LONG! Had that song been a hard hitting 4 minute track - hell - even pump it up to 5 mins, 50 seconds...i could like it...but - it's far from the "epic opus" that it's time promises it will be...

of course, that's just my opinion...

i was so in love with her first album, and then i saw her live on that tour - and LOVED the new songs she played - my expectations were just far too high...i really TRIED to like the album, but i found the track sequencing to be off - i found the duets to be unnecessary - and i found myself contemplating my grocery list FAR too many times...especially during Pretty Bird, Godspeed and that god awful final song!

but...kudos if you like it... it's not a BAD record by any means...i think i just had inflated expectations and was let down...

*insert farting balloon sound here*

I like the entire cd, her vocals on Pretty Bird send me.

But I hear you on RFC, it’s a masterpiece that will be hard to “beat”.

i wasn't in love with rabbit fur coat. actually, i think it's weaker in terms of melodies. yeah, the harmonies with the watson twins are beautifully tense but still, the songs pale in comparison to the songs in acid tongue. acid tongue is basically more accessible but so what. rabbit fur coat was never that good to be compared to say, neko case or something. acid tongue at least takes a stab in actually keeping the listener awake. i also think jenny's voice in AT is stronger, silkier. the lyrics may be weaker but the songs are sweeter.

Living on Lava rocks has its advantages.

care to explain the advantages???
Or is this just another acid-induced non sequitur which is supposed to be brilliant?

Vulva rock is better.