I can pretty much guess most everyone here is voting for Obama. But what else is in your head this year about it? It has been a crazy one for sure.

i'm not. if i thought it would do any real good i wouldn't vote at all. i dislike both candidates. but i know not voting will do nothing. so i have to choose between the lesser of the two evils for me. neither candidate speaks to me at all. but at this moment i can stomach mccain and republicans more. even though republicans are just as bad if not worse. i don't like or care for politicians. nor do i trust them much. with these candidates that i've been given how can i be made to make decision. anyway, as far as the issues go, i think the economy is the first thing we need to work on. and i don't think we need to be worrying about health care right now. it's a very important issue, but when the economy is in such bad shape it doesn't make sense to go and spend more government on social programs. let's worry about budgeting the economy and paying what bills we got right now. then we can worry about universal health care. first things first.

So you are most worried about the economy and are choosing the candidate that admitted that was not his strong suit? Interesting.

Well, he can always turn to Sarah and get answers, right? Now THAT is what should be scaring you silly!

well, i'll admit there is a good bit about sarah i don't like, but i don't hate as much as some do. she's not the worst out there. as i said both candidates suck big time and neither are people i want to vote to for, but i don't have too much of a choice here. i'm having to go with the lesser of the two evils for me here.

^^You know, there are more than 2 candidates. You could always vote for one of them.


As for fixing the economy vs. health care. I don't know, but I have to think that maybe the rising cost of health care could be having a negative impact on the economy. I don't know for sure, but it makes sense to me that they might be related. Anyway, they both need fixed/changed/whatever. Health care is important. In about 9 months, I'm going to be without insurance (because I will have graduated and been *immediately* dropped from my parent's insurance) and already I'm worried about how I will be able to afford good insurance. I probably won't. There are millions and millions of people out there who deserve good medical care, but they simply can't afford it. That really worries me. That's why I think that health care is just as important as the economy.

BTW: *chanting* OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

Oh, and DO NOT EVEN get me started on Palin. Let's just say she kinda disgusts me.

Oh CC, she scares tomorrows breakfast right out of me!

She is against abortion, but also against sex ed. Makes lots of sense doesn't it?

And McCain feels the same way, just skirts it better is all. I don't know how anyone could vote him in knowing that she is next in line. And everybody knows I am not a huge liberal, but come on now, common sense people!

First off, I will say that I have never been a big Obama fan-and to be frank, I'm still not. I was so Pro-Clinton, it's really taken me awhile to adjust to him getting the Democratic nod in the first place.
Do I think Obama is the best choice? Frankly, no. He bothers me on a lot of levels.
Do I think he's the ONLY choice? Definite Yes.
Sarah Palin just bugs the holy hell out of me.
I saw this report on ABC news with all these "feminists" going on about how most of Palin's views bothered them, but she was still "one of them" and they were right there supporting her...How could anybody with half a brain sit there and honestly argue that? But, frankly, it scares me...
And what also scares me is the fact that whenever I see McCain lately he looks like he is VERY tired...almost unhealthy tired...How is he going to make it through the most stressful job there is?? Do we already have right wing 'hockey mom' waiting in the wings?
This is about all I really have to say on the current elections gang.
And I admit I'm not feeling too good about things at the moment (but I'm pretty pessimistic anyway).

I still need to register. Heh.

i agree with you about how important health care is and it should be fixed. but not until we fix the economy first. if we try to work on health care now we're only going to make things worse possibly. throwing more money in another social program will only increase our budget even more. and we can't afford the budget we have now. before we can take on more challenges let's fix what we've got on our plate now.

With that said you are going to vote for a man that has admitted he is not so up to date on "the economy"?

Do you see the bizarreness in your post?

Don't you think the economy would have a better shot if the middle class (read: the majority of citizens) received the tax cuts instead of the rich?

I mean, seriously. Think about it.

as i've said both candidates piss the shit out of me. i can't stand either one. but i'm not about to vote for obama because he's supposedly better qualified at handling the economy. mccain may suck at economy, but to me he is the lesser of the two evils. if i have to vote (and no, i will not vote for some fringe, non party whack job) i have to take what i can get. and right now for me mccain is the better of the two choices. that doesn't say that much really. but then anything would be better than the democratic choice they've given us. once again they pick a candidate who flat out sucks. at least last time the i could vote for the democratic choice still. it really sucks when the two candidates you have to choose from both suck out the ass.

And how exactly do Obama and Mccain suck?

What part of their platforms do you not agree with?

Someone fucking kill Palin. It's the best possible outcome.

pp good luck trying to get coherent concepts out of WLY. I gave up a LONG time ago. I think he has some kind of mental issues.

^^Actually, the best possible outcome is that McCain and Palin lose. No one needs to die.

CC, what do you think about all these women voting for McCain because of Palin?

It is unbelievable that they do not release that that is NOT a step forward but several steps back for women!

I swear I am stressed.

I think that picking Palin as a running mate was nothing more than shameless pandering to women. I'm hoping that most women are smart enough to realize this. The good news is that if McCain was trying to woo away women who wanted to vote for Hillary, I don't think that's going to happen. I can't imagine that anyone who supported Hillary would also support Palin (or McCain for that matter). Women need to realize that having a vagina does NOT qualify Palin for office and they shouldn't vote for her just because she's a woman. If they intend to vote for her to advance women's rights or the women's movement, they're in for a big surprise. Palin is anti-feminist (and anti-woman) and voting for her will strike a major blow to women's issues.


I would write more, but I have to get to a meeting with my professor. Fun.

The scary thing, though, is that I saw this report on ABC about a bunch of feminists who essentially stated that, while they thought her views sucked, they still felt she was a "sister under the skin" & they supported her as a "strong woman."
I mean, I was pretty sick after seeing that report.
I'm a male with feminist leanings, but if I were a woman feminist, I just don't see how I could EVER think that way.
Like I told somebody the other day, I am 100% for a woman in the White House-but that woman is NOT Sarah Palin...

She is female that's her selling point. There's nothing in the way of qualifications or even common sense. Her email password is her zip code for god's sake. Wave goodbye to Roe vs Wade. I think WLY should be president he's equally as clueless... er, um, qualified.

you all act like she's running for office. she's the vice president nominee. it's not like she'll amount to much. look at the vice presidents of the past. plenty have gone on to do nothing while in office and have gone on to do little outside of office. dan quayle comes to mind. i don't particularly like her either and i don't agree with a whole lot of her views either. but i'm not voting for her. she's a vice president nominee.

She is running for office, WLY! She's McCain's running mate!

Sure, some vice presidents haven't, according to you, "done much" (but they have more power and pull than you think they do), but some of them went on to become president when the real president resigned or died. That's what really worries me: John McCain is kind of old and being president is a stressful job. If he dies, she would be president. She doesn't belong in the White House and she definitely doesn't belong in the Oval Office, and with McCain's age, I think that that is something that people really need to consider.

You beat me to it CC. That is exactly what people need to be thinking about.

The thing I don’t understand is what type of ideology can you have WLY that would align you with McCain? You still have not said what you like or not about either candidate, just that one is worse than the other in your book.

You really need to take this election seriously and consider what is best for this country as a whole, not just yourself.

Take a stop over at www.ontheissues.org

I am not trying to start anything, but am truly curious how anyone would want to vote for that team.

i don't want to vote for either team. they both suck. i don't trust obama enough for me to confidently and not confidently vote for him. and i don't like a whole of what he stands for. he tries to come off as a unique candidate and a man of change, but all i see is more of the typical political bullshit. i'm not keen on mccain either. i think he's just the same in terms of being another typical politician. and i don't agree with some of his views. like the war in iraq for example. as i've said, i don't like either candidate at all and don't really want to vote for either one, but that does no good. so in this election i'm stuck with two candidates i can't really stomach and having to choose between the two. i wholeheartedly supported hilliary and was planning on voting for her, but now it's down to these two.

and as much i don't care for mccain i can't in good conscience vote for obama. i don't know where obama really stands per se. he contradicts himself. trying to be a voice of change and a different candidate when he offers more of the same. at least with mccain i know what i'm getting. i may not like it much, but i like it far more than i do obama. i don't follow party lines and have never sided with either party. i voted for perot. lately though there's been a change. for all the talk the democrats have been doing this election i have grown more upset with them and find myself siding with the republicans. not that i like them. i find them equally as deplorable. but the democrats are starting to grate on me with their talk of how the republicans ruined this country and they're the only ones who can save us now.

it's take two to tango and the democrats have played their part in the way the country has ended up. why won't they admit this? it really bugs me. it's not that easy though to put into words over the internet what you were asking. it's very complex and lengthy. suffice it to say, the research i have done on obama really didn't make more confident in him. if anything it made me more distrusting. he seems to be all style and no substance. this isn't hollywood. this is our country. we need more than style and hip slogans. i am well aware that i'm not conveying my thoughts very well here. so do forgive me for how it sounds and looks. it's hard sometimes to really discuss politics, especially of this nature, over the internet.

he's not that old. i could see it if he were in his 80's or something, but he's not. everyone acts like mccain could go at any moment. i really don't think that's going to happen. of course it could happen to any presidential candidate though. obama could croak just as easily as mccain. none of them have been really young.

So you went from supporting Hillary to voting for McSame? You know what that shows you to be? Either you have no stance whatsoever on the issues or you are a racist. Either way, you look pretty uneducated.


Sorry, but had to be said.

i like hilliary as a candidate. i don't like obama as a candidate. it has nothing to do with race. mcsame? that's part what i'm talking about with democrats. plus i find obama to be more mcsame than mccain. especially when obama tries so hard to bill himself as different from the politicians in washington. just because i don't want to vote for obama makes me stupid or a racist. is that how it is for all those who don't want to vote for obama? are you saying that no one who votes for mccain is smart and are pretty much racist?

No, you went from wanting Clinton (who is pretty much in line with Obama on the issues) to now wanting McCain (who is dead on balls accurate the same with Bush on the issues).

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

I think you really don’t know anything about the issues and where the candidates stand, or maybe you are racist – it definitely has to be one or the other.

McCain is in his early 70s (72, I believe). While that's not really old, it's still old. I wasn't alive during the Reagan years, but wasn't he getting up there (in years) during his presidency? Some people believe that during the latter part he may have been suffering from early dementia. Now, I'm not saying that it will happen to McCain (I don't wish that on anyone), but after a certain point age becomes an issue for me. What really concerns me is the combination of stress and age. About 4-5 years ago, my uncle stirred up quite a mess within my family (I won't bore you with the details--money and farmland were involved). He (and his bitch of a wife) was on one side and my dad and grandpa (who was 74 at the time) were on the other. The problem was recently resolved, but the stress of a family matter put a lot of strain on my grandpa (and my dad) and it shows (health problems, mostly). Sure, McCain is younger than my grandpa, but if elected president he'll have much bigger (and many more) stresses to deal with. I can only imagine how it will age and affect him.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. I just want you to understand where I'm coming from with the whole age thing. I've seen it happen and I know what it does to people.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, and I hope it doesn't seem like I'm attacking/badgering you, because that's not my intention at all--and from here on out, I will cease discussing the age issue. You can vote for whoever you want, it's none of my business (neither are your reasons for voting for them). I don't agree with the vast majority of McCain's policies, but he seems like an okay guy and the Republicans could have picked a worse candidate.

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She would be so upset with you WLY!

Hey braindead, I mean WLY, you know who Cheney is? Yeah he was real unimportant. And yeah with McCain's potential health complications Pres. Palin is not impossible, so please think before typing.

You also must have NO interest and hold no value in women's concerns if you're this mentally unprepared for making a decision between these two parties. Sad really. I bet you think you're a feminist or something sad.

Sign a petition to the Commission on Presidential Debates urging them to proceed with the debate and deny John McCain's motion to suspend.

http://pol.moveon.org/demanddebate/?r_by=1...Px&rc=paste

Debate in a little over an hour! I'm super-psyched (is that weird? I've always like debates)

Obama is kicking ass and as usual McCain is responding with blah blah blah. I love how Barack is not afraid to interrupt him. I swear Johnny is pooping in his pants. And he KEEPS lying and getting called out and just smiles. Tells you how many attachments there are to everything.

GO BARRY, WE LOVE AND NEED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Signed,

America

I thought that it was pretty good, interesting debate.

One thing that I noticed was that McCain spent a lot of his time tearing down Obama's campaign (how many times did he say "What Senator Obama doesn't understand...?), instead of trying to build up his own campaign. Whereas Barack spent most of his time talking up his ideas.

I thought it was funny that you could tell that McCain was visibly irked by Barack. I thought it was childish...he kept scoffing and reminded me of president Bush in that he seemed to reek of arrogance during those times. Whereas Barack was more laid back and didn't really betray his emotions with facial expressions.

Barack smiled plenty, but had no choice.

I did love the fact that he kept mentioning the last 8. Because if anybody is happy with that they can kiss my ASS!

You should have seen what FOX News made of it. The result was a montage of footage where Obama agreed with McCain 7-8 times, McCain pointed out what Obama "didn't understand" 3-4 times, and a few other red herrings. It was at this point I noted their attention to repetition rather than content.

If you go to twitter, you'll see a really debate going on.

It seems that John McCain uttered the word horse shit underneath his breath while they were debating what exactly Henry Kissinger said about meeting with countries like Iran and North Korea.

It's sad that an important choice like the next selection can be derailed by such complete nonsense.

For sure, McCain showed an incredible amount of immaturity for letting this slip out on something being televised around the country and probably around the world, but there are far more important things to focus on.

^^Don't care.


Yeah, the interviewed Rudy Guiliani on NBC and he said that during the debate "McCain basically taught Obama about foreign policy" because Obama agreed with him on some of the issues. I was like "what the fuck? that doesn't even make sense." Even when they agree on topics, people will still try to spin it to make it look like one is right and the other is wrong. I'm thinking, maybe he agreed with him because he actually does agree with him--not because he had some ulterior motive or didn't understand the topic (as Guiliani implied).

According to some early polls I read last night, Obama "won" the debate by a large margin.

*chanting* OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

Ha, "taught", now that is a more infuriating twist! But yes, agreeing with your oponent on an issue means you clearly have no idea and are just agreeing with them because you're stoopid, uneducated, oh and I nearly forgot - elitist, quite obviously.

I wish Obama would make stupid grandious sounding statements like, "What Mr. McCain doesn't understand, etc." I think it was pretty kooky that McCain didn't even look at Obama too. He's really playing hard-ball, or he forgot where he was.

He is scared. Scared people do not make eye contact.

Just like in the end of horror movies. The one that lives finally makes eye contact with the killer and defeats him/her.

The End.

Mwuahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, yup the VP debate is on tonight. I have been hearing aboot the debate for weeks now, yup, yup. Should be a goodun’. I may even pick up a periodical that shall remain nameless tonight after work and try to educate meself, yup. I really need to bone up on Supreme Court cases, yup. See you at the debate, yup.

Oh, and one more thing. I live on Lake Erie and swear that I saw Canada last night, yup.

As if I needed another reason not to vote McCain/Palin.

What douches. Both of them. God, it makes me so angry!!

In fairness, Illinois (and most states) charge for those kits. Sad, but true.

Yeah, it is really sad and no matter how many states do it it well never be fair in any sense of the word. It's just one more fucking reason why women don't report rape. They've already been victimized once, why the fuck would they want to be victimized again?

(I'm not angry at you...I'm angry at the whole goddamn system)

Well, maybe one day they will fund things like that. But then of course the Pubs would scream that it is socialism.

What I don't understand is this: if a rape kit is all but required to press charges, why are women expected to pay for it? It seems to me that whatever the victims choose, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Someway, somehow, someone's gonna fuck 'em over when they're at their most vulnerable.

I hear ya sista! It;s kind of like how Pubs oppose "choice" yet also oppose sex education. Makes sense, right? NOT!

Anyhoos, I am so geeked up for the debate. Please Biden, do what needs to be done. She will bury herself without any help from sarcasm, so let's keep that in check.

I even picked out my fave white trash dinner for the event. Hot wings and cottage cheese. Yeehaw!!!!

Well, Palin wasn't an incoherent, drooling mess, which is more than I expected of her. I hated the way she dodged questions left and right and went over the same 4-5 talking points throughout the entire debate. Apparently, she didn't have time to study all the talking points, so she just learned the important few.

Man, Biden is really good when he gets fired up! Also, he really knows his shit (unlike Palin). Now I wish that I had gone to hear him speak in Philadelphia. Oh well, I'm sure I was having fun doing other stuff.

From what I saw Biden could explain himself, whereas Palin is just a cheerleeder for the talking points she's been given. The rape kit stuff is OLD NEWS.

Biden was my choice for Prez, so it's going to be fun watching him mop the floor with her in more detail.

Yeah, I know, but Planned Parenthood just made that commercial to run tonight during the "post debate" and I wanted to call attention to it.

oh, ah