NME 50 greatest rock heroes

50 Shane MacGowan
49 Prince
48 Patti Smith
47 Keith Richard’s
46 Johnny Cash
45 jimmy Page
44 Iggy Pop
43 Frank Black
42 Bruce Springsteen
41 Paul McCartney
40 Brain Wilson
39 Marvin Gaye
38 Billy Joe Armstrong
37 Elvis Presley
36 Syd Barrett
35 Antony Hegarty
34 Shaun Ryder
33 Kim Deal
32 Neil Young
31 Marc Bolan
30 Johnny Rotten
29 Jarvis Cocker
28 Courtney Love
27 Johnny Marr
26 Dave Grohl
25 Alex Turner
24 Bono
23 Billy Corgan
22 Jimi Hendrix
21 David Gedge
20 Alex Kapranos
19 Elliot Smith
18 John Lennon
17 Julian Casablancas
16 Bob Dylan
15 Axl Rose
14 Matt Bellamy
13 Joe Strummer
12 Jack White
11 Richey Edwards
10 Ian Curtis
9 Ian Brown
8 David Bowie
7 Noel Gallagher
6 Thom Yorke
5 Carl Barat
4 Liam Gallagher
3 Morrissey
2 Pete Doherty
1 Kurt Cobain

i barely have a reaction but interesting. only three women, four if you count morrissey. ah well. i'm so sick of cobain.

Shit as long as they have my crazy ass bitch courtney love!, and my poetic hero Billy corgan and i dig patti smith, johnny cash, and cobain. But thats it.....

Courtney's the best one on that list.

i don't think those oasis boys deserve to be higher up than iggy pop or frank black. courtney is a good rock hero but i'll take kim deal or patti smith over her drug fueled rock engine. meh.

I think someone should shoot Courtney Love.

Or grab her horrible little head and smash her face into a pane of glass.

26 Dave Grohl Hell Yeah


OOOOOK? Violence!

i think courtney is the best at doing a lot of coke, but she isn't the best on that list.

I think you could get something more interesting out of a digestive biscuit.

I'm not even talking musically, I'm talking just about HER.

you're just jealous tori didn't get in the list.

You're just pissed that Nina and Juliana didn't make it either.

Courtney over Kim Deal?

I gave up caring how magazines and such rate rock "heros" a long time ago.

But Jesus Christ I hate Courtney Love.

hah. kinda. i'm pissed that liz didn't either.

i bet you're spitting nails tha bjork didn't too.

I don't know if this is American NME but if it is the English NME IT SUCKS!!!!! They are the crappest magazine ever. They STILL obsess about Pete Dougherty for gawds sake!! Don't listen to them.

Courtney gets slagged on way too much. I love the woman. And her last cd was far and away better than Liz’s last one.

courtney brought on a lot of this slagging herself. the way she's acted in public has not made people warm up to her. that and her contless arrests doesn't make her look like that credible of an aritst. she is seen by a lot as tabloid fodder.

Dude, they are talking about musicians and their talent, not community leaders.

Don’t you have a matinee of “Stick It” to catch?

I LOVE COURTNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!

that's my point though. a lot of people aren't going to see courtney love for what little musical talent she may have. her antics overshadow that. just like pete dougherty. any musical talent he has isn't going to be seen because of his constant arrests. he's become a joke. sure, this is a list of talented musicians. but already people on this board have slaggeed off courtney love for even being on the list to begin with. you then said courtney gets slagged on way too much. to which i said was a good deal her fault. and i said why. and i have no intention of seeing stick it. i have sense enough to avoid it. i just don't hold a lot of prententiousness when it comes to what i choose to see.

Simmer down Sister Sledge, simmer down now.

I guess I should have stated that “Courtney gets slagged on as not being a good musician, which she is”. If people are so ignorant that they let personality and antics deem whether a person has musical talent then that’s their prob. I can’t stand Russell Crowe and think he has major issues but I cannot deny that he is a great actor.

And I am not pretentious, just don't like crap movies. Crap TV, but not crap movies.

I find Courtney's love over-baked music as tedious as her personality.

What's so heroic about her?

Well, in my book Live Through This is right up there with Exile. Any way you look at her she has created at least one more masterpiece than any of us.

And save the “but Kurt wrote it” comments. I don’t care if he did – there would be no LTT without my C-Lo.

I remember when she use to be in and out of clinics, courts, cop cars, blah blah blah. Im thinking damn this womans is crazy! but who am i to judge? im not perfect myself. Behind all that shit, she's one of the greatest lady rockers and writers. People dont REALLY recognize her music and lyrics, when she has the tabloids trashed on her and shit. "Live throught this" is a fucking masterpiece! and "Celebrity Skin" like she says............"Becareful what you wish for?"

Nope, I don't like Kurt much either.

I was never a huge fan, but the guy was loaded with talent. Far more than his whiney bandmates.

Yeah, Live Through This is a great album. Celebrity Skin was great too despite it being sheened to a T.

And I liked her debut too.

Damn Skippy!

i like courtney but to say that her last album was better than the liz's last one. i do not think so. the genres the two albums belong in are so different. and liz is not exactly doing anything angry or yelping. she was trying to make a perfect pop record and halfway succeeding. courtney was trying to... i don't even know what she was trying to do. it was a mess, a shrill mess. i love live through this and celebrity skin though. so talent has really nothing to do with why she landed in that list. and please, liz has more songwriting talent than courtney any day.

i think courtney love is very appealing as a rock performer. her voice suits the screaming. her angst is totally affecting, except when she's too frazzled to make sense. and she is a mess, that's why she's a credible rock hero. sex, drugs and rock and roll. it's a vicious circle. her charm relies too much on what's destroying her.

I will take Americas Sweetheart over Somebody’s Miracle any day. One is music to kick someone’s ass to, the other is music to kick your own ass to. I liked it the first month or so then I realized how it just did nothing for me. Very forgettable. But slip on “Mono” and you’re ready to rock.

I'm disappointed in you, Poopy.

Americas Sweetheart I really only enjoy when I'm going through a Courtney phase. Outside that, it just doesn't work for me.

Somebody's Miracle always works. It gets more frequent plays than anything Courtney anyway.

But America's Sweetheart had a better love song in 'Uncool' than Somebody's Miracle did in 'Count On My Love'.

Oh Poopalicious, I cannot help it. I stick in SM every now and again, but can’t listen to it straight through. I have realized I like LP more than SM by far.

WCSE
EIG
WS
LP
SM

There ya goes.

oh poopsie.

well at least you list wcse and guyville at the top.

My list goes:

whitechocolatespaceegg
exile in guyville
somebodys miracle
whip smart
liz phair

WS
EIG
WCSE

U2
C3P0
WD40
NIN
AAA
SUM41

lol

poopsie, what does the REAL rock star song go like? i love the olympia one it was replaced with but ive never heard the actual song.

I am not sure - I will check out some of the import B stuff I have and see if I have it.

i have that song. i will check it out for you.

She's not a rock artist lol. Im pissed PJ isn't on there and Courtney is though!

OHHHHHHH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!

FORGET FUCKING COURTNEY LOVE.

YOU ARE FUCKING RIGHT!!!!
PJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
FUCK YOU, NME
COURTNEY FUCKTARD.

PJ DESERVES TO BE THERE MORE!!!

cheers mcv

And I dunno how I feel about PJ yet. I have To Bring You My Love, Rid of Me, Stories... and Uh Huh Her but I've not given her a thorough listen (well bar Rid of Me). I'll have to do so at some point and decide what I really think of her.

I don’t consider PJ to be rock either – kinda like calling Tori rock. Just ain’t true.

really? i always thought she was. of course i think tori is rock, especially on from the choirgirl hotel. what would you call pj?

Alternative? Not sure – but doesn’t feel/sound like rock to me.
Like Tori has had some rock-ish songs (especially on FTCGH), but I still wouldn’t call her rock. Janet Jackson puts one rock song on most her albums (Black Cat, Whatabout, Trust a Try, etc.) but she is not rock.

yes. i would go with alternative too. but then that's rock as well. just, well an alternative verison of it. hell, u2 were alternative before becoming full blown rock. same as r.e.m. did. most 80's "alternative" acts, at least the ones being played on 120 minutes eneded up in the full fledged rock/pop field before it was all over. i've always thought an artist that had lots of pounding drums, electic guitars, and fast paced songs were pretty much rock. tori never fit the bill really except for that one albun. the rest of her stuff is the type of stuff played on lite rock stations. very mellow and soft. she would occasionally break out from that though.

PJ is rock. End of story. But Tori isn't, at least not for the most part. Is piano rock a genre?

Choirgirl and Venus are rocky, but they have an electronic edge too

Yes.



Two albums.

To Venus And Back is more rock than From The Choirgirl Hotel.

pj is so rock. courtney.. meh.
notice how i changed my attitude that quickly. heh. no one puts pj in a corner.

and pp, please do listen to dry and rid of me, hell, listen to all her records. she rocks with more purpose and clarity than your beloved ms love ever will.

Meh.