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"I've always been fascinated with eccentric personalities," says Los Angeles singer songwriter Aimee Mann. On Smilers, her seventh solo CD, Mann presents thirteen exquisitely-crafted new songs about the inner life of people living far from the bright lights of success or fame. Some of them are wanderers searching for meaning on the road, others look for it in a shot glass or by losing themselves in the blue trance of a tv set, and still others believe their deliverance will come through money. From the punch drunk characters haunting the twilight world of a dusty downtown boxing gym, to a onetime financial big shot who's returned home after taking a tumble, Mann paints spare, vivid portraits of people who seem to always wind up with the smallest slice of American pie. The songs are soulful, empathetic and somehow ultimately hopeful and optimistic. Says Mann; "When I write about them -- the narcissists, performers, eccentrics, know-it-alls - it helps me recognize some truths about the world and about myself."

The title Smilers gets its name from a phrase Mann has long used to humorously lampoon the unrelentingly happy, shiny, smiley-faced pop culture that surrounds us all today. "I read an article that said that across all cultures, the single thing that people respond to most is a smiling cartoon face," says Mann. "A friend of mine and I used to laugh at how there's always somebody in an office or on the street who smiles all the time and is the first one to say, 'hey, smile!' I get that all the time from people who say 'why can't you be more smiley? So we jokingly nicknamed them @#%&! Smilers. You can provide your own curse word there. I think everybody knows someone like that." The record goes behind the smiles to get at something a little deeper and a little more revealing. Smilers reaffirms Mann's place as one of pop music's most distinctive songwriters, with an exceptional talent for beautiful melodies and insightful lyrics that go beyond platitudes.

Smilers took shape during the last two years as Mann was releasing her concept album, The Forgotten Arm (2005) and then her seasonal CD Another Drifter in the Snow (2006). "After doing a concept album I wanted to go back and just do a set of songs that were not linked quite so tightly," she says. "I didn't have a specific vision I was after so I kept writing and after a while the album began to take on its own sound." She approached the making of the record almost like a novelist or journalist approaches a story, finding characters, learning what makes them tick, and writing and rewriting until something clear begins to emerge. Many of the songs underwent further evolution in rehearsals in 2007 as she and producer Paul Bryan settled on a sound that they liked.

Where previous Mann albums have frequently tended toward a lonesome, spacious sound, Smilers sounds fuller and larger, with uncommon touches. “We tried not to echo any previous albums…for this one we wanted to use a different palate, thus replacing electric guitars with distorted Wurlitzers, Clavinets, and analog synthesizers. We wanted the rhythm section to sound full and organic with detailed, interwoven keyboards on top. We also knew we wanted to have real string sections and horn arrangements for select songs.” The rich arrangements provide a wonderfully captivating counterpoint to the haunting, plainspoken poetry of Mann's lyrics. For Smilers, she and Bryan preferred to refine their ideas in rehearsals and then keep the studio work brief to unleash a certain spontaneity, keeping takes of each song to one or two apiece. "It keeps the music fresh. It makes it much more of a real musical experience," says Mann. "It makes it a little closer to something live and real."

Smilers also reflects a unique creative phase in Mann's career. After the runaway success of The Magnolia Soundtrack, which received nominations for an Oscar, a Golden Globe and a Grammy, Mann's music and career took a new direction. "Magnolia got me focused on the idea of music and movies in a different way," she explains. "I started looking at songwriting from a different angle. Forgotten Arm I wrote as a sort of soundtrack to an imaginary movie. It’s a great way of looking at songwriting. It gets me out of my own head and into the head of another character. I don't have to write about myself all the time." That feeling was liberating, and endows much of Manns' new work with a vivid, almost visual story-telling sense that makes her music jump off the CD.

Smilers opens with "Freeway," an almost Cars-esque synth-pop song that was inspired by a drug-addicted friend who had came to LA in hopes of getting clean and making a break with the past. The track "Stranger into Starman” was spurred by an afternoon crossword puzzle and the memory of an Anne Sexton poem that made an anagram out of the word "rats" -- morphing it into "stars." As Mann describes it, "it’s about glorifying people who don't deserve the glory." The song "Looking for Nothing," as Mann explains, was inspired by a couple of ex-boxers at her gym. The song is about "that moment in life where you get older and stop chasing after that thing you always thought would make you happy. It’s when you let go of the trapeze bar and nobody's caught you yet and you don't know if you're going to hit the ground."

"Phoenix" delves into love's impotence in the face of the world, and the aftermath of a relationship gone sour: "Its hard to know when to cut and run," the character sings; "You balance heartache with your fun." The song "Borrowing Time" plays out like a vaguely menacing Snow White-style fairy tale; "The needle has pricked her little finger/She wants the beautiful child the blood will bring her," but it has echoes of a cautionary tale that could apply to a modern innocent's path in Hollywood. "31 Today" says Mann, is slightly autobiographical, recalling the feeling of insecurity she had as a young artist living in Boston. “The song captures the anxiety of getting older and feeling that you really should have it together more than you do.” As her character sings: "Drinking Guinness in the afternoon/taking shelter in the black cocoon/I thought my life would be different somehow/I thought my life would be better by now."

"The Great Beyond" looks at the outdoors and the wilderness not as an adventure but as a dark refuge from society. The track "Columbus Avenue," a reference to the San Francisco street, plumbs the tale of the sad ambition of an addict, asking "What is Columbus Avenue to you now?/A place where you failed to make your story go over?/A place where you bailed and let the bottom drag you under?" And "Little Tornado" and Ballantines" (named after the classic American beer) are portraits of troubled personalities and the chaos and healing they can provoke. "Medicine Wheel" is based on a poem written by Mann's sister, the painter and artist Gretchen Seichrist.

Another song on Smilers, "True Believer," was written with Grant Lee Phillips, a Cafe Largo pal and maverick singer songwriter who toured with Mann for Another Drifter in the Snow. Says Mann, "I had some music and a sketch idea for a chorus for this song and Grant came in with this wonderful idea of how to turn the song into a ghost story."

Longtime Mann fans will find that Smilers has plenty of the tunefulness they have come to expect from her albums. New fans will be struck by the power of her spare language. Smilers is a welcome return of unparalleled songcraft.
coolchick275
If anyone's interested, you can now pre-order the deluxe edition of the CD from Aimee's website for $15.
coolchick275
"Ballantines" is now streaming on Aimee's myspace.
I'm getting really excited for the new album.
wooden and alone
thanks for the tip
Liber
this album was leaked. biggrin.gif

here is a link i found.
http://rapidshare.com/files/112465767/1792AZ.rar
Liber
the album is DEFINETELY more of the same. I wasn't impressed of what i've heard yet. Lost in space took ages took ages to grow on me thought.
wooden and alone
i like it, not love it. it has a very modern sound in parts. synths!! i already love phoenix though.
coolchick275
QUOTE(Liber @ May 5 2008, 08:17 AM) [snapback]129580[/snapback]

this album was leaked. biggrin.gif

here is a link i found.
http://rapidshare.com/files/112465767/1792AZ.rar

Ahhh! Why did you post this?! I desperately want to hear the album, but I don't want to listen to it before the release date. Have you any idea the moral and emotional trauma you've caused me?!
wooden and alone
hahahah

::whispers in cc's ear::
do it, do it, do it...
DOOOOOOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!
we left yesterday
there's nothing moral about it. either you do it or you don't. you're probably going to be buying the cd anyway so what's the big deal?
coolchick275
^^Because I think that it's wrong to illegally download music that is commercially available. Even though this CD is not yet commercially available, it will be soon, and Aimee probably doesn't want people to hear it yet.

Besides, I'd rather sit down, look through the deluxe booklet, and listen to the songs for the first time (with the exception of the songs Aimee has already made available). Why would I want to ruin that experience?
wooden and alone
you ninny
baudrillard
We're immoral!
wooden and alone
repent, baud
repent!!!!!!
we left yesterday
QUOTE(coolchick275 @ May 6 2008, 02:21 AM) [snapback]129606[/snapback]

^^Because I think that it's wrong to illegally download music that is commercially available. Even though this CD is not yet commercially available, it will be soon, and Aimee probably doesn't want people to hear it yet.

Besides, I'd rather sit down, look through the deluxe booklet, and listen to the songs for the first time (with the exception of the songs Aimee has already made available). Why would I want to ruin that experience?



i hear you and i agree with you except i don't think it's stealing. especially if you're planning on buying the album anyway. it would be no different if a friend burned a copy for you. or even better if you bought an advance copy of the cd. that's stealing too isn't it? really the fallacy in the argument is stupid. there are holes you could drive a truck through. the music industry has this one wrong. sorry. it's not stealing. there's nothing to steal.
Liber
LOL , well ,I don't think her new album will be released here though...i haven't been able to find any of her albums in stores , so i'd have to download anyway. tongue.gif
we left yesterday
this is true. i do find it funny though how we are told that downloading music is stealing. what are we stealing? a bunch of files? well, if that's the case then were not stealing as the people who uploaded the files have no problem with us downloading them and actually want us to download them.
jivafox
i love this album. a LOT.
Lucky
Its day care time for Polly and Matis stic um in a boat and send them to Burmuda. Bjork and Liz take care of that for me.
redlight
Aimee and I have been a bit "off" recently but I still love her. Bachelor No. 2 is still fucking brilliant.
QuieroPhair
QUOTE(we left yesterday @ May 6 2008, 07:07 AM) [snapback]129613[/snapback]

i hear you and i agree with you except i don't think it's stealing. especially if you're planning on buying the album anyway. it would be no different if a friend burned a copy for you. or even better if you bought an advance copy of the cd. that's stealing too isn't it? really the fallacy in the argument is stupid. there are holes you could drive a truck through. the music industry has this one wrong. sorry. it's not stealing. there's nothing to steal.


How quaint. Apparently the layperson’s concept of “logic” is very different from the actual use of formal logic and symbolic logic (is symbolic logic even logic? That is a whole different discussion). The paragraph above has several terms that one could pull from logic jargon, but you have failed to use a single one correctly. Logic was discovered/created (whichever you prefer the argument rages on) with mathematics, or more specific, calculus and geometry. They are used to prove explanatory mechanism sufficiently. A mathematical theory without an acceptable proof for example, will not be accepted in the fields of mathematics. Since this system was realized it has since been applied to many other fields of empirical inquiry. It would be too difficult to explain logic comprehensively on a medium like a forum, but it basically boils down to this: if A then B. You have an axiom or a premise ( A ) upon which an argument is based, you apply these through logical principles ( then ) and arrive at a conclusion ( B ). The most basic logical premise is equivalence. For example: A = B, A = C :. B = C.

A fallacy is an incorrect logical principle. If an argument is based upon a logical fallacy it is invalid (illogical). An example of a logical fallacy is Ad ignoratium. Ad ignoratium is an argument that something is true because it is not known to be untrue. Another example is an argument from incredulity (examples could continue ad nauseum).

Whether you agree with Coolchick or not is irrelevant, her argument does not contain any logical fallacies. If Coolchick argues in this manner: “If the CD is unreleased (not available for sale), then downloading it and listening to it is immoral because taking an unavailable artistic work without paying is considered stealing in Western society” (which she has) then there are no logical fallacies to be found. She has presented an axiom and reached a conclusion without using an incorrect logical principle. If you wish to prove your point logically or even in an acceptable manner from other explanatory schools you could argue the concept of theft or even the Western notion of ownership, but your current argument is not just difficult to understand structurally, but incorrect in its attempt to critic Coolchick's logic.

If you wish to disagree with Coolchick or voice your thoughts I suggest that you (1) find another way to do so instead of playing around with logic terms or (2) learn more about logic so you may employ it correctly.
baudrillard
Bravo.
wooden and alone
piracy is delicious.
we left yesterday
QUOTE(QuieroPhair @ May 29 2008, 09:23 PM) [snapback]131299[/snapback]

How quaint. Apparently the layperson’s concept of “logic” is very different from the actual use of formal logic and symbolic logic (is symbolic logic even logic? That is a whole different discussion). The paragraph above has several terms that one could pull from logic jargon, but you have failed to use a single one correctly. Logic was discovered/created (whichever you prefer the argument rages on) with mathematics, or more specific, calculus and geometry. They are used to prove explanatory mechanism sufficiently. A mathematical theory without an acceptable proof for example, will not be accepted in the fields of mathematics. Since this system was realized it has since been applied to many other fields of empirical inquiry. It would be too difficult to explain logic comprehensively on a medium like a forum, but it basically boils down to this: if A then B. You have an axiom or a premise ( A ) upon which an argument is based, you apply these through logical principles ( then ) and arrive at a conclusion ( B ). The most basic logical premise is equivalence. For example: A = B, A = C :. B = C.

A fallacy is an incorrect logical principle. If an argument is based upon a logical fallacy it is invalid (illogical). An example of a logical fallacy is Ad ignoratium. Ad ignoratium is an argument that something is true because we it is not known know to be untrue. Another example is an argument from incredulity (examples could continue ad nauseum).

Whether you agree with Coolchick or not is irrelevant, her argument does not contain any logical fallacies. If Coolchick argues in this manner: “If the CD is unreleased (not available for sale), then downloading it and listening to it is immoral because taking an unavailable artistic work without paying is considered stealing in Western society” (which she has) then there are no logical fallacies to be found. She has presented an axiom and reached a conclusion without using an incorrect logical principle. If you wish to prove your point logically or even in an acceptable manner from other explanatory schools you could argue the concept of theft or even the Western notion of ownership, but your current argument is not just difficult to understand structurally, but incorrect in its attempt to critic Coolchick's logic.

If you wish to disagree with Coolchick or voice your thoughts I suggest that you (1) find another way to do so instead of playing around with logic terms or (2) learn more about logic so you may employ it correctly.




what is she stealing? files? files that being shared by someone else from their computer who has the files uploaded so they can be shared. where is that stealing? the person you're downloading them from doesn't care if you download them. i would agree with you that coolchick would be stealing if she actually stole a cd. but she hasn't. what she would be doing would be downloading files that are there to be downloaded. there's not really any stealing going. what if i had the cd and made a copy for her. she's not buying the cd and the artist isn't getting any money. would that be considered stealing? i don't think so. this is a bit far off but let me ask you this: if you were in a store that sold oxygen (oxygen bars and such) and you started breathing would you be stealing? there's nothing tangble that you've stolen so would it still be considered stealing?
baudrillard
Question 1.

"...really the fallacy in the argument..."

Discuss.

QuieroPhair
QUOTE(we left yesterday @ May 29 2008, 09:54 PM) [snapback]131312[/snapback]

what is she stealing? files? files that being shared by someone else from their computer who has the files uploaded so they can be shared. where is that stealing? the person you're downloading them from doesn't care if you download them. i would agree with you that coolchick would be stealing if she actually stole a cd. but she hasn't. what she would be doing would be downloading files that are there to be downloaded. there's not really any stealing going. what if i had the cd and made a copy for her. she's not buying the cd and the artist isn't getting any money. would that be considered stealing? i don't think so. this is a bit far off but let me ask you this: if you were in a store that sold oxygen (oxygen bars and such) and you started breathing would you be stealing? there's nothing tangble that you've stolen so would it still be considered stealing?


Allow me to make myself abundantly clear: I do not care.
I do not care what you or Coolchick's stances are in this instance. I was criticizing your methodology, not your views. You don't understand formal/symbolic logic and do not employ it correctly. This is what I was pointing out. I do not care about the issue.

QUOTE(baudrillard @ May 29 2008, 10:50 PM) [snapback]131317[/snapback]

Question 1.

"...really the fallacy in the argument..."

Discuss.


Cheers for that.
we left yesterday
uh, well, uh, me dumb as brick. don't know stuff. you talky hurt my brain. stopy. whahhh! big words never impressed me much.
baudrillard
No problems, just glad we're being clear about this.
QuieroPhair
I have now just remembered why I stopped posting in this shithole.
baudrillard

QuieroPhair has left the building.
coolchick275
My CD was mailed today! Hopefully it will be here by Tuesday.
baudrillard
and WLY alienates another person from the board sad.gif
wooden and alone
i side with wly on this issue.
go wly
u go boy!
baudrillard
wooden doesn't understand logic either sad.gif
wooden and alone
logic schmogic
redlight
I'm utterly loving this. Perhaps her best after Bachelor.
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