i thought i comes out october 4th? how did everyone that gave a review hear it already?

there are some copies out there already.
get on ebay you will see a bunch.

but you are not alone. i haven't heard the whole thing yet.

so i could prolly download it from somewhere?

i only heard the songs through a promo copy - which for the record - i NEVER made any MP3s of.

BUT - i think this is a great example and LESSON to record companies out there.
The album IS leaked now. You CAN download this thing now. It's too late. There will be plenty of people who will NOT buy this now.
I WILL buy it, but some won't.
Nor should they feel they HAVE to either. It's not their fault they got it for free. It's not their fault they don't want to pay $25.99 plus tax for an album they can download with the push of a few buttons. Not at all. Putting the promo out MONTHS before the album is going to be released - in the age of downloading - is blatantly asking for it.

I am not about to go into a big speech about marketing and how to release an album - because I don't work for a record company.
But i do work in promotions and i do work in communications and I work in a radio station so i see this EVERY DAMN TIME - but you don't have to work in a radio station to see what is blatantly going on.

The biggest problem record companies have right now - is NOT with people downloading.
That is only a side-effect of a bigger problem.
It's the fact that record companies no longer know how to market or promote albums, because times - they are a-changing.
Before digital downloading and the internet - it was no problem to pass out promo copies of CDs to journalists and radio stations or industry related folk - MONTHS before the album's official release date.
Now - it is a problem to do so months before the release because everyone is antsy to hear it - and there is now a venue to leak all this stuff onto - it all becomes a whirlwind - it hits the message boards and...well - you only have to look at the last few threads to lead to the outcome. The rest has been demonstrated on here - even just today.
plain and simple.
I won't even get into marketing artists - i think all we have to do is look at what period in Liz Phair's career she signed to a major label and then correlate that to what year we noticed a change in her music.
A no brainer.
Record companies for the most part - have no fucking idea.
It's all cookie cutter now.
blah blah..dead horse. i'm gonna stick to my point about downloading:
Promotion for artists has to change. Records are being marketed all wrong - like we're back in 1991 again.
It sucks to say - but if we want to put some excitement and some challenge back into music - we're gonna have to hold off on the advanced copies - or - RELEASE the damn CDs SOON after the promo copy is out.
Easier said than done.
But they want their cake and they want to eat too.
They want all this hype - a big campaign - all the hot record mags writing advanced reviews from their advanced promo copies.
that's fine - before the net.
NOw - you have to be an idiot to believe that it WON'T be leaked. Every single album gets leaked now.
I do give them props - the Liz Phair record took a longer amount of time than most - which is strange - but it leaked nonetheless - and with still half a month to go - it's fair to say this album will probably make the rounds amongst most of Liz Phair's online fanbase before October 4th.
The solution? I have no idea.
Maybe for starters - bump it to releasing the promo copies out to major mags to a two week period.
Easier said than done - I realize that - but something has to change or albums will just be forever leaked. And i don't blame anyone for downloading something that is available to them. We live in this age where things can be grabbed, ripped and burned for free - and at the same time we are forced to buy into stupid fucking shallow commercial bullshit - hell - by all means - DOWNLOAD THIS SHIT! And if you don't like it - don't make the record companies richer by paying a ridiculous amount of money for fourteen songs.
Go see the performer live! Support them that way instead.
If this album was released two weeks ago - it wouldn't leak.
Well - it eventually would - but on the day it came out MORE people would buy it because NO ONE would have it.
That's not gonna be the case on October fourth.
Sure - many of us will buy it - but many of us will say "Fuck it..i've heard this thing, it's shit...i'll maybe buy it next week, when I have some money."
But then - we go out and buy a bunch of weed and booze and think "Whooops! just blew my LIz Phair money! Fuck it. I have the damn thing anyway. I'll just ask for the Japanese copy for Xmas, that way I get the other bonus song."

Don't take this as some defensive, argument-starting post either. It's just my opinion. LIke I said - i don't work for a record company - i know NOT a whole lot about releasing albums - but i do know there is a bit of a pattern starting here - and something has to change - or else albums are going to be continuously leaked - and eventually make the actual release date pretty much....moot and pointless.

kinda like my post right now.

Jesus. i get rambly when i'm stoned - AND i'm sick so i am on a nice nyquil and neo-citran combo.
It feels...well...kinda like a nice, warm hug.

so peace to all - and to all a good night. enjoy the album, those who have it. and those who don't - give it a few days.
it'll leak. always does.

dan

wow amazing response for a such simple question.
you do have some good points there.

wow amazing response for such a simple question.
you do have some good points there.

Well I am one of those people who has now heard the entire album but will still be buying it on Oct 4. Dan, you're right on the money. The record companies have been bitching for years about leaking and file sharing. Putting out these promo copies TWO MONTHS ahead of the actual release dates is idiotic. THEY ARE asking for it! As it was mentioned on another post on here, check eBay these days. Yesterday there were EIGHT promo copies on there! I too was surprised that it took so long for this thing to leak, but leak it did! Oh, and enjoy your "hug"

I got mine from a friend who works at EMI. She knew I was a fan and gave one to me.

i have five songs then nothing. it's just a drag to download a 100 mb file. ew, that'd take like how long.

It only took me 5 minutes.

grrrrr

opps......forgot dial up.

Sorry

It felt like hours to me

Where did you download it from? I am pirating illiterate my BF always does it for me, but won't for this album So help...please

Thanx to the person who sent me the link - You know who you are!

I love this album so far... and it only took about 5 minutes to download AND decompress yey!

I also wouldn't mind knowing where to get it. I'm buying it right after school on the 4th anyhow, but I'd like to hear it now . (please)

Actually, I'd just like to point out that ever since the huge explosion of popularity in digital music, the record companies have actually been on the rise, believe it or not. We talked about this in my Mass Communications class. It's because they were charging (and still charge) ridiculous amounts of money for CDs at places like FYE, so people were like, "Fuck that," and downloaded it for free. Well, that lead to iTunes and the music store, where you can download a song for .99 cents, which ain't so bad when the CD has 14 or 15 songs and you only have to pay 14 or 15 bucks, whereas a lot of stores would be charging 18 to 20, maybe even 23 dollars for a CD. And unfortunately, a lot of stores STILL do that. But even though they want you to think that downloading has been hurting the industry, it has really helped it a lot. I, for one, and downloading the album right now, and I plan on buying it October 4th, just because Liz is one of my favorite artists. Now, her last album might not have sold as well as Capitol had hoped, but it obviously sold enough, because they're letting her make another album. Otherwise, they would have dropped her. Major record companies are ALL about the money. They're not losing money on Liz, so they continue to promote her. She may not be making music that's as good as she used to be, but it sells, regardless. Mass media is NOT catered for the general public. It's ALL about what will make money. Huge record companies will continue to put out shit music as long as the brain-washed public will eat it up, and they'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Oh, and not EVERY album leaks before it comes out, but a big majority of them do. The new HORSE the band CD (who is on a semi-well known label) just leaked today, and it comes out tomorrow. But yeah, I'm excited to hear the new Liz material, but I just wish it would download faster.

Not yet but I'm going to soon!!!!!!

I got my copy off the net yesterday. Worth buying, I reckon.

I found it on Limewire, says advanced copy. But I'm definately buying it.

I now realize it was a mistake to post a thank you on the board. I should have just PMed it. I am NOT internet savvy which is why I posted my question to begin with and since posting my anonymous "thank you" as I did not want the person who so kindly shared a link with me to be innundated with requests, I have been getting an OVERWHELMING number of PMs asking for this link. I don't even know how it works or if it affect the person who sent it to me, so PLEASE ask the forum not me! I would love to help you all but not at the expense of another and I also don't want to get in troub;e with my internet provider who has sent us warning about sharing files before so I guess now we are on a watch list, as my boyfriend needs to use the internet for his job and we only have one cable internet provider in our area. So I don't mean to be harsh but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE either tell me a safe way to share a file and pos all of your requests in the FORUM not my PM (it is getting full) or post your requests in this forum and ask someone else! THANK YOU!

i'm gonna be at a friend's house tonite and they have internet cable access. Anyone care to pm me with a link to album?

just an FYI, ISO torrent has 3 different postings up for SM if anyone wants to download it.

OK now to cover my ass *this is copywrite protected music and therefore downloading it without the artist/company's permission is illeagle, do so at your own risk I take no responsibility or liability for anyone elses actions. I do not promote the piracy of records or movies etc.* lol, OK parnoid me but ow that's covered.

I agree with a lot of what you say... Fact is CDs have maintained or grown in the cost to the consumer, when the fact is creating and distributing CDs is cheaper than ever.

I support artists by buying tickets to their concerts... Buy their tshirts and other stuff. Went to see Liz at the Paradise Rock Club in Boston a couple months ago.

iTunes has made my legit purchases easier... When I like one song off an album (and iTunes will let me) -- I buy just that track.

I have an iPod connected to my surround receiver... One in the Lansing boombox... One in the car... Frankly CDs are the way of the past... I look at them like most people look at 8-track tapes

I'm keeping my 8 track. I think they will make a comeback any time now.